{"version":"https://jsonfeed.org/version/1","title":"Circumscription","home_page_url":"https://circumscription.fireside.fm","feed_url":"https://circumscription.fireside.fm/json","description":"Much of what gives life meaning, continuity, and order is the act of setting boundaries. Much of what gives you a clear sense of who and what you are is a clear sense of who and what you're not. This is a podcast about drawing such lines. It's about the processes involved in setting and maintaining boundaries, but also stretching and crossing them. We explore questions about these issues in three areas: collective identity, religion, and constitutional law.","_fireside":{"subtitle":"Where We Set The Limits","pubdate":"2025-10-28T05:00:00.000-04:00","explicit":false,"copyright":"2025 by Michael Sargent","owner":"Michael Sargent","image":"https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/9/92d4f201-c679-4a52-8c80-a47e41397da4/cover.jpg?v=1"},"items":[{"id":"88b08b31-6a64-4a0d-95be-aa47325d634a","title":"Episode 9: Triggered","url":"https://circumscription.fireside.fm/9","content_text":"Gerald Higginbotham is an assistant professor in the Frank Batten School of Leadership \u0026amp; Public Policy at the University of Virginia. He holds a Ph.D. in social psychology from UCLA, and also a bachelor’s degree in psychology from Stanford University. He studies (in his words) “the imprint of history on people’s modern social perceptions and policy attitudes, and the psychological underpinnings of how people perceive history and its consequences.”\n\nOTHER LINKS\n--Ronald Reagan's 1983 address before the National Rifle Association\n--\"The lasting legacy of 1967 Black Panther gun control protest at California Capitol\" (article at CBS News, by Steve Large)\n--Wikipedia entry on Ida B. Wells-Barnett\n--\"Historian uncovers the racist roots of the 2nd Amendment\" (interview at National Public Radio)\n\nMUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the \"cc by\" license)\n--\"The Trail,\" by Unheard Music Concepts\n--\"Breath,\" by Kirk Osamayo\n--\"Cello,\" by Ketsa\n--\"Caress me to sleep,\" by ruiSpecial Guest: Gerald Higginbotham.","content_html":"\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://batten.virginia.edu/people/gerald-higginbotham\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eGerald Higginbotham\u003c/a\u003e is an assistant professor in the Frank Batten School of Leadership \u0026amp; Public Policy at the University of Virginia. He holds a Ph.D. in social psychology from UCLA, and also a bachelor’s degree in psychology from Stanford University. He studies (in his words) “the imprint of history on people’s modern social perceptions and policy attitudes, and the psychological underpinnings of how people perceive history and its consequences.”\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eOTHER LINKS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://youtu.be/5-JoMVf_f4w?si=6FF_B6b_GxiJTuEX\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--Ronald Reagan\u0026#39;s 1983 address before the National Rifle Association\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/lasting-legacy-black-panther-protest-california-capitol/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;The lasting legacy of 1967 Black Panther gun control protest at California Capitol\u0026quot; (article at CBS News, by Steve Large)\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_B._Wells\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--Wikipedia entry on Ida B. Wells-Barnett\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1002107670\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;Historian uncovers the racist roots of the 2nd Amendment\u0026quot; (interview at National Public Radio)\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eMUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the \u0026quot;cc by\u0026quot; license)\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;The Trail,\u0026quot; by Unheard Music Concepts\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Breath,\u0026quot; by Kirk Osamayo\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Cello,\u0026quot; by Ketsa\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Caress me to sleep,\u0026quot; by rui\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSpecial Guest: Gerald Higginbotham.\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"A conversation with social psychologist Gerald Higginbotham about race and gun rights.","date_published":"2025-10-28T05:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/92d4f201-c679-4a52-8c80-a47e41397da4/88b08b31-6a64-4a0d-95be-aa47325d634a.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":25471926,"duration_in_seconds":3183}]},{"id":"1169cc2b-0c0c-41b8-b9d0-fe03e5b5e991","title":"Episode 8: Unreconstructed","url":"https://circumscription.fireside.fm/8","content_text":"Julia Azari is Professor of Political Science at Marquette University. She holds a Ph.D. in political science from Yale University, and she studies the American presidency, American political parties, political communication and American political development. She's the author of the 2014 book, Delivering the People’s Message: The Changing Politics of the Presidential Mandate. Her newest book (and the focus of this podast episode) is Backlash Presidents: From Transformative to Reactionary Leaders in American History published in 2025.\n\nOTHER LINKS\n--President Johnson's remarks on the signing of the Civil Rights Bill of 1964 (July 2, 1964)\n--Bright Line Watch\n--\"Bill Clinton on being called 'first Black president': 'I took it as a great compliment'\" (article at The Hill, by Cheyanne M. Daniels)\n--\"'George Bush doesn't care about Black people' 20 years later\" (NPR interview with Rodney Carmichael and Leah Donnella)\n--Wikipedia entry on fainting goats\n--The Bulwark\n--\"Weak parties and strong partisanship are a bad combination\" (article at Vox, by Julia Azari)\n\nMUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the \"cc by\" license)\n--\"The Trail,\" by Unheard Music Concepts\n--\"Breath,\" by Kirk Osamayo\n--\"Monsters of the past,\" by Pawel Feszczuk\n--\"Caress me to sleep,\" by ruiSpecial Guest: Julia Azari.","content_html":"\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.marquette.edu/political-science/directory/julia-azari.php\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eJulia Azari\u003c/a\u003e is Professor of Political Science at Marquette University. She holds a Ph.D. in political science from Yale University, and she studies the American presidency, American political parties, political communication and American political development. She\u0026#39;s the author of the 2014 book, \u003cem\u003eDelivering the People’s Message: The Changing Politics of the Presidential Mandate\u003c/em\u003e. Her newest book (and the focus of this podast episode) is\u003ca href=\"https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691246956/backlash-presidents\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e \u003cem\u003eBacklash Presidents: From Transformative to Reactionary Leaders in American History\u003c/em\u003e \u003c/a\u003epublished in 2025.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eOTHER LINKS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.lbjlibrary.org/object/video/signing-civil-rights-act-1964\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--President Johnson\u0026#39;s remarks on the signing of the Civil Rights Bill of 1964 (July 2, 1964)\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://brightlinewatch.org/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--Bright Line Watch\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://thehill.com/homenews/race-politics/5004618-bill-clinton-first-black-president/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;Bill Clinton on being called \u0026#39;first Black president\u0026#39;: \u0026#39;I took it as a great compliment\u0026#39;\u0026quot; (article at The Hill, by Cheyanne M. Daniels)\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2025/08/27/nx-s1-5517328/george-bush-doesnt-care-about-black-people-20-years-later\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;\u0026#39;George Bush doesn\u0026#39;t care about Black people\u0026#39; 20 years later\u0026quot; (NPR interview with Rodney Carmichael and Leah Donnella)\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fainting_goat\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--Wikipedia entry on fainting goats\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.thebulwark.com/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--The Bulwark\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.vox.com/mischiefs-of-faction/2016/11/3/13512362/weak-parties-strong-partisanship-bad-combination\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;Weak parties and strong partisanship are a bad combination\u0026quot; (article at Vox, by Julia Azari)\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eMUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the \u0026quot;cc by\u0026quot; license)\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;The Trail,\u0026quot; by Unheard Music Concepts\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Breath,\u0026quot; by Kirk Osamayo\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Monsters of the past,\u0026quot; by Pawel Feszczuk\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Caress me to sleep,\u0026quot; by rui\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSpecial Guest: Julia Azari.\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"A conversation with political scientist Julia Azari about three racially transformative presidents, and their backlash successors.","date_published":"2025-10-14T05:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/92d4f201-c679-4a52-8c80-a47e41397da4/1169cc2b-0c0c-41b8-b9d0-fe03e5b5e991.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":26084863,"duration_in_seconds":3260}]},{"id":"1ef9ca09-2adb-4cca-8d26-6d3239ac0e54","title":"Episode 7: But What About Us?","url":"https://circumscription.fireside.fm/7","content_text":"Clara Wilkins is Associate Professor and Earl R. Carlson Professor of Psychology at the University of Washington. Trained as a social psychologist, she leads the Social Perceptions and Intergroup Attiudes Lab (SPIA Lab). Along with her collaborators, she studies such topics as (a) the causes and consequences of dominant group members' perceptions of group-based victimization, and (b) how variation in racial and ethnic minorities’ physical appearance shapes the perceptions and experiences of disadvantaged group members.\n\nOTHER LINKS\n--Catherine Herridge 2020 interview of Donald Trump\n--\"Exclusive: Trump says \"anti-White feeling\" is a problem in the U.S.\" (article at Time Magazine, by Nik Popli \u0026amp; Eric Coretellessa)\n--\"Religious 'Nones' are now the largest single group in the U.S.\" (report at National Public Radio, by Jason DeRose)\n--Wikipedia entry on the \"tradwife\" phenomenon\n--\"Just Theory\" (podcast interview from Tatter, featuring John Jost and the late Jim Sidanius, interviewed by Michael Sargent)\n\nMUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the \"cc by\" license)\n--\"The Trail,\" by Unheard Music Concepts\n--\"Electric Silence,\" by Unheard Music Concepts\n--\"Pleasure,\" by Haunted Me\n--\"Post Drone,\" by Uuriter\n--\"Caress me to sleep,\" by ruiSpecial Guest: Clara Wilkins.","content_html":"\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://depts.washington.edu/spia/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eClara Wilkins\u003c/a\u003e is Associate Professor and Earl R. Carlson Professor of Psychology at the University of Washington. Trained as a social psychologist, she leads the Social Perceptions and Intergroup Attiudes Lab (SPIA Lab). Along with her collaborators, she studies such topics as (a) the causes and consequences of dominant group members\u0026#39; perceptions of group-based victimization, and (b) how variation in racial and ethnic minorities’ physical appearance shapes the perceptions and experiences of disadvantaged group members.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eOTHER LINKS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.cbs.com/shows/video/bynkBl3ZDBB5aaDNgBhYshh8evD0GQz7/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--Catherine Herridge 2020 interview of Donald Trump\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://time.com/6972270/donald-trump-anti-white-bias-exclusive/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;Exclusive: Trump says \u0026quot;anti-White feeling\u0026quot; is a problem in the U.S.\u0026quot; (article at \u003cem\u003eTime Magazine\u003c/em\u003e, by Nik Popli \u0026amp; Eric Coretellessa)\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2024/01/24/1226371734/religious-nones-are-now-the-largest-single-group-in-the-u-s\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;Religious \u0026#39;Nones\u0026#39; are now the largest single group in the U.S.\u0026quot; (report at \u003cem\u003eNational Public Radio\u003c/em\u003e, by Jason DeRose)\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradwife\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--Wikipedia entry on the \u0026quot;tradwife\u0026quot; phenomenon\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://tatter.fireside.fm/38\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;Just Theory\u0026quot; (podcast interview from \u003cem\u003eTatter\u003c/em\u003e, featuring John Jost and the late Jim Sidanius, interviewed by Michael Sargent)\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eMUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the \u0026quot;cc by\u0026quot; license)\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;The Trail,\u0026quot; by Unheard Music Concepts\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Electric Silence,\u0026quot; by Unheard Music Concepts\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Pleasure,\u0026quot; by Haunted Me\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Post Drone,\u0026quot; by Uuriter\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Caress me to sleep,\u0026quot; by rui\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSpecial Guest: Clara Wilkins.\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"A discussion with social psychologist Clara Wilkins, about her research on perceptions of victimization among members of dominant groups.","date_published":"2025-09-30T05:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/92d4f201-c679-4a52-8c80-a47e41397da4/1ef9ca09-2adb-4cca-8d26-6d3239ac0e54.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":24097258,"duration_in_seconds":3012}]},{"id":"546ac1ab-5621-4003-9afd-391b95583b67","title":"Episode 6: City of God","url":"https://circumscription.fireside.fm/6","content_text":"Samuel Perry is the Sam K. Viersen Presidential Professor of Sociology at the University of Oklahoma. He has authored or co-authored over 100 peer-reviewed academic journal articles, and has authored or co-authored five books, including Taking America Back for God, as well as The Flag and the Cross. He’s also written for such journalistic outlets as The Dallas Morning News, Time Magazine, and The Washington Post. In this episode, we discuss Christian nationalism in the U.S.\n\nOTHER LINKS\n--\"The Christian nationalism we need\" (Keynote address at the 2024 National Conservatism Conference, by Sen. Josh Hawley)\n--\"What is Christian nationalism, exactly?\" (essay at the New York Times, by David French)\n--\"White or woke Christian nationalists? How race moderates the link between Christian nationalism and progressive identities,\" by Samuel Perry, Allyson Shortle, Eric McDaniel, and Joshua Grubbs\n--Profile for Amanda Tyler at the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty (BJC)\n--\"The Democrat who calls Trump a child of God\" (article at The Economist about James Talarico)\n--\"Why are some Evangelicals drawn to--and stickying by--Trump? This pastor weighs in\" (NPR interview of Pastro Chad Harvey, by Scott Detrow)\n\nMUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the \"cc by\" license)\n--\"The Trail,\" by Unheard Music Concepts\n--\"Post Drone,\" by Uuriter\n--\"Anti-Chill,\" by Jangwa\n--\"Cello,\" by Ketsa\n--\"Caress me to sleep,\" by ruiSpecial Guest: Samuel Perry.","content_html":"\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.ou.edu/cas/soc/people/faculty/samuel-perry\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eSamuel Perry\u003c/a\u003e is the Sam K. Viersen Presidential Professor of Sociology at the University of Oklahoma. He has authored or co-authored over 100 peer-reviewed academic journal articles, and has authored or co-authored five books, including \u003cem\u003eTaking America Back for God\u003c/em\u003e, as well as \u003cem\u003eThe Flag and the Cross\u003c/em\u003e. He’s also written for such journalistic outlets as \u003cem\u003eThe Dallas Morning News\u003c/em\u003e, \u003cem\u003eTime Magazine\u003c/em\u003e, and \u003cem\u003eThe Washington Post\u003c/em\u003e. In this episode, we discuss Christian nationalism in the U.S.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eOTHER LINKS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://youtu.be/tgNbGxdDZ2I?si=AzLAlqiAp0LRRV47\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;The Christian nationalism we need\u0026quot; (Keynote address at the 2024 National Conservatism Conference, by Sen. Josh Hawley)\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/opinion/christian-nationalism.html\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;What is Christian nationalism, exactly?\u0026quot; (essay at the \u003cem\u003eNew York Times\u003c/em\u003e, by David French)\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12166974/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;White or woke Christian nationalists? How race moderates the link between Christian nationalism and progressive identities,\u0026quot; by Samuel Perry, Allyson Shortle, Eric McDaniel, and Joshua Grubbs\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://bjconline.org/amanda-tyler/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--Profile for Amanda Tyler at the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty (BJC)\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.economist.com/united-states/2025/08/26/the-democrat-who-calls-trump-a-child-of-god\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;The Democrat who calls Trump a child of God\u0026quot; (article at \u003cem\u003eThe Economist\u003c/em\u003e about James Talarico)\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2024/10/29/nx-s1-5165535/trump-christians-evangelical-harris-support\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;Why are some Evangelicals drawn to--and stickying by--Trump? This pastor weighs in\u0026quot; (NPR interview of Pastro Chad Harvey, by Scott Detrow)\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eMUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the \u0026quot;cc by\u0026quot; license)\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;The Trail,\u0026quot; by Unheard Music Concepts\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Post Drone,\u0026quot; by Uuriter\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Anti-Chill,\u0026quot; by Jangwa\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Cello,\u0026quot; by Ketsa\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Caress me to sleep,\u0026quot; by rui\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSpecial Guest: Samuel Perry.\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"A conversation about Christian nationalism, with sociologist Samuel Perry.","date_published":"2025-09-16T05:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/92d4f201-c679-4a52-8c80-a47e41397da4/546ac1ab-5621-4003-9afd-391b95583b67.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":26146512,"duration_in_seconds":3268}]},{"id":"7e949d41-a059-48f0-aab7-e866d57683bb","title":"Episode 5: Drawn Out","url":"https://circumscription.fireside.fm/5","content_text":"David Gans is Director of the Human Rights, Civil Rights \u0026amp; Citizenship Program at the Constitutional Accountability Center. In this episode, we discussed voting rights and redistricting, with an emphasis on the Louisiana v. Callais case that is set to be reargued before the Supreme Court on October 15, 2025. \n\nOTHER LINKS\n--Merrill v. Milligan (later retitled Allen v. Milligan) oral argument\n--Allen v. Milligan opinion\n--Wikipedia on the Voting Rights Act of 1965\n--\"Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act: Vote dilution and vote deprivation,\" SCOTUSblog\n--\"Court asks for new briefs in Louisiana redistricting case\", by Amy Howe at SCOTUSblog\n--\"How the Supreme Court made racial gerrymandering easier in Alexander v. South Carolina NAACP,\" League of Women Voters Blog\n--\"Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson emerges as a leading dissenter in an era of Trump,\" by John Fritze, at CNN\n\nMUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the \"cc by\" license)\n--\"The Trail,\" by Unheard Music Concepts\n--\"Breath,\" by Kirk Osamayo\n--\"Anti-Chill,\" by Jangwa\n--\"Post Drone,\" by Uuriter\n--\"Cello,\" by Ketsa\n--\"Caress me to sleep,\" by ruiSpecial Guest: David Gans.","content_html":"\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.theusconstitution.org/staff/david-h-gans/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eDavid Gans\u003c/a\u003e is Director of the Human Rights, Civil Rights \u0026amp; Citizenship Program at the Constitutional Accountability Center. In this episode, we discussed voting rights and redistricting, with an emphasis on the Louisiana v. Callais case that is set to be reargued before the Supreme Court on October 15, 2025. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eOTHER LINKS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/audio/2022/21-1086\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u003cem\u003eMerrill v. Milligan\u003c/em\u003e (later retitled \u003cem\u003eAllen v. Milligan\u003c/em\u003e) oral argument\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/21-1086_1co6.pdf\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u003cem\u003eAllen v. Milligan\u003c/em\u003e opinion\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--Wikipedia on the Voting Rights Act of 1965\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.scotusblog.com/election-law-explainers/section-2-of-the-voting-rights-act-vote-dilution-and-vote-deprivation/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act: Vote dilution and vote deprivation,\u0026quot; SCOTUSblog\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/08/court-asks-for-new-briefs-in-louisiana-redistricting-case/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;Court asks for new briefs in Louisiana redistricting case\u0026quot;, by Amy Howe at \u003cem\u003eSCOTUSblog\u003c/em\u003e\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.lwv.org/blog/how-supreme-court-made-racial-gerrymandering-easier-alexander-v-south-carolina-naacp\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;How the Supreme Court made racial gerrymandering easier in \u003cem\u003eAlexander v. South Carolina NAACP\u003c/em\u003e,\u0026quot; League of Women Voters Blog\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/09/politics/ketanji-brown-jackson-leading-dissenter-trump-era\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson emerges as a leading dissenter in an era of Trump,\u0026quot; by John Fritze, at CNN\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eMUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the \u0026quot;cc by\u0026quot; license)\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;The Trail,\u0026quot; by Unheard Music Concepts\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Breath,\u0026quot; by Kirk Osamayo\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Anti-Chill,\u0026quot; by Jangwa\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Post Drone,\u0026quot; by Uuriter\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Cello,\u0026quot; by Ketsa\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Caress me to sleep,\u0026quot; by rui\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSpecial Guest: David Gans.\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"A conversation with legal expert David Gans, focusing on voting rights and redistricting.","date_published":"2025-09-02T05:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/92d4f201-c679-4a52-8c80-a47e41397da4/7e949d41-a059-48f0-aab7-e866d57683bb.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":24323792,"duration_in_seconds":3040}]},{"id":"95c1648b-7e0c-438a-b397-4ad630de0821","title":"Episode 4: Here Be Dragons","url":"https://circumscription.fireside.fm/4","content_text":"Kimberly Rios is Professor of Psychology at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign. She studies intergroup threat and also psychological issues at the intersection of religion and STEM. In this episode, we discuss the psychology of intergroup threat, applications to a salient contemporary case, and also issues involving religion and STEM.\n\nOTHER LINKS\n--Informational video on EPIC City\n--WFAA story on EPIC City\n--Drinking Liberally, Wikipedia page\n--\"Fairness is Overrated,\" by Jonathan V. Last, at The Bulwark\n--\"The World's Muslims: Religion, Politics, and Society,\" by the Pew Research Center\n\nMUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the \"cc by\" license)\n--\"The Trail,\" by Unheard Music Concepts\n--\"Breath,\" by Kirk Osamayo\n--\"Funky End,\" by Pawel Feszczuk\n--\"Post Drone,\" by Uuriter\n--\"Caress me to sleep,\" by ruiSpecial Guest: Kimberly Rios.","content_html":"\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://psychology.illinois.edu/directory/profile/kmrios\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eKimberly Rios\u003c/a\u003e is Professor of Psychology at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign. She studies intergroup threat and also psychological issues at the intersection of religion and STEM. In this episode, we discuss the psychology of intergroup threat, applications to a salient contemporary case, and also issues involving religion and STEM.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eOTHER LINKS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://youtu.be/iWG6rSVeETA?si=rqCeLG2iWScuVxXC\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--Informational video on EPIC City\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://youtu.be/tXllDIZaRbs?si=Cr0uhJeSWiXFONLk\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--WFAA story on EPIC City\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_Liberally\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--Drinking Liberally, Wikipedia page\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.thebulwark.com/p/fairness-is-overrated\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;Fairness is Overrated,\u0026quot; by Jonathan V. Last, at The Bulwark\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-science-and-popular-culture/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;The World\u0026#39;s Muslims: Religion, Politics, and Society,\u0026quot; by the Pew Research Center\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eMUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the \u0026quot;cc by\u0026quot; license)\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;The Trail,\u0026quot; by Unheard Music Concepts\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Breath,\u0026quot; by Kirk Osamayo\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Funky End,\u0026quot; by Pawel Feszczuk\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Post Drone,\u0026quot; by Uuriter\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Caress me to sleep,\u0026quot; by rui\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSpecial Guest: Kimberly Rios.\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"A conversation with Kim Rios, about intergroup threat, and more.","date_published":"2025-08-19T05:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/92d4f201-c679-4a52-8c80-a47e41397da4/95c1648b-7e0c-438a-b397-4ad630de0821.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":22511939,"duration_in_seconds":2813}]},{"id":"d2d7f2ed-dc5a-4bbd-a306-3b95a74e963b","title":"Episode 3: Equals Under The Law","url":"https://circumscription.fireside.fm/3","content_text":"Paul Gowder is Professor of Law at the Pritzker School of Law at Northwestern University, in Chicago. He's the author of several books, including The Rule of the Law in the Real World, and The Rule of Law in the United States: An Unfinished Project of Black Liberation. In this episode, we discuss the history and current status of the rule of law in the U.S., exploring connections to the historic struggle for Black Americans' civil and human rights\n\nOTHER LINKS\n--President Trump's May 4, 2025 appearance on NBC's Meet the Press\n--Wikipedia entry on Margaret Morgan\n--Wikipedia entry on Dred Scott\n--history.com page on the Fugitive Slave Acts of 1793 and 1850\n--PBS Frontline documentary \"Trump's Power \u0026amp; The Rule of Law\"\n--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s \"Letter from a Birmingham Jail\"\n--Lord Bingham's Sir David Williams Lecture: \"The Rule of Law\"\n--Private Truths, Public Lies: The Social Consequences of Preference Falsification, by Timur Kuran\n\nMUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the \"cc by\" license)\n--\"The Trail,\" by Unheard Music Concepts\n--\"Monsters of the Past,\" by Pawel Feszczuk\n--\"Precisamos de um plano,\" by rui\n--\"Light Lab,\" by Rest You Sleeping Giant\n--\"Caress me to sleep,\" by ruiSpecial Guest: Paul Gowder.","content_html":"\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://gowder.io/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003ePaul Gowder\u003c/a\u003e is Professor of Law at the Pritzker School of Law at Northwestern University, in Chicago. He\u0026#39;s the author of several books, including \u003cem\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.amazon.com/Rule-Law-Real-World/dp/1316502023\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eThe Rule of the Law in the Real World\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/em\u003e, and \u003cem\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.amazon.com/Rule-Law-United-States-Unfinished/dp/150995466X/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8\u0026dib_tag=se\u0026dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Z5S15r9vNr5ZhFUKb2yZsO_P_412lbt4K9eWnVuNI5blKNrg6Cx_G7BWJZPP8-VIOkpHN5SsxTp_m6t2hckM-6I6PeSFyq5ojHNT70CT1E8.13xS4XB_qDeoAPfN19RNZU6G7v_d960u2wjfaATyG9s\u0026qid=1754075495\u0026sr=1-1\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eThe Rule of Law in the United States: An Unfinished Project of Black Liberation\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/em\u003e. In this episode, we discuss the history and current status of the rule of law in the U.S., exploring connections to the historic struggle for Black Americans\u0026#39; civil and human rights\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eOTHER LINKS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://youtu.be/tuPI1-Gp_5s?si=9pVLgo0NfKSJ0tF2\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--President Trump\u0026#39;s May 4, 2025 appearance on NBC\u0026#39;s \u003cem\u003eMeet the Press\u003c/em\u003e\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Morgan_(slave)\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--Wikipedia entry on Margaret Morgan\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--Wikipedia entry on Dred Scott\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.history.com/articles/fugitive-slave-acts\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--history.com page on the Fugitive Slave Acts of 1793 and 1850\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://youtu.be/28sQyweAPRs?si=0YFyuw8zMd4_769u\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--PBS Frontline documentary \u0026quot;Trump\u0026#39;s Power \u0026amp; The Rule of Law\u0026quot;\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.\u0026#39;s \u0026quot;Letter from a Birmingham Jail\u0026quot;\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"http://netk.net.au/RuleOfLaw/Bingham1.asp\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--Lord Bingham\u0026#39;s Sir David Williams Lecture: \u0026quot;The Rule of Law\u0026quot;\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.amazon.com/Private-Truths-Public-Lies-Falsification/dp/0674707583\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u003cem\u003ePrivate Truths, Public Lies: The Social Consequences of Preference Falsification\u003c/em\u003e, by Timur Kuran\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eMUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the \u0026quot;cc by\u0026quot; license)\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;The Trail,\u0026quot; by Unheard Music Concepts\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Monsters of the Past,\u0026quot; by Pawel Feszczuk\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Precisamos de um plano,\u0026quot; by rui\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Light Lab,\u0026quot; by Rest You Sleeping Giant\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Caress me to sleep,\u0026quot; by rui\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSpecial Guest: Paul Gowder.\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"A conversation with law professor Paul Gowder, about the rule of law in the U.S.","date_published":"2025-08-05T05:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/92d4f201-c679-4a52-8c80-a47e41397da4/d2d7f2ed-dc5a-4bbd-a306-3b95a74e963b.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":27678751,"duration_in_seconds":3459}]},{"id":"aebd2928-ed53-4625-83cb-ac7805b96ab8","title":"Episode 2: Forever In The Path","url":"https://circumscription.fireside.fm/2","content_text":"Arthur Remillard is Professor of Religious Studies and Department Chair of Theology and Philosophy, as well as Dean of STEAM (Science, Technology, Engingeering, Arts, and Mathematics) at Saint Francis University, in Loretto, Pennsylvania. He is author of the book Southern Civil Religions, as well as a new book, Bodies in Motion: A Religious History of Sports in America.\n\nOTHER LINKS\n--\"Civil Religion in America,\" by Robert N. Bellah\n--\"The Meaning of Prayer at a Political Convention,\" by Esau McCaulley\n--\"In Trump, We Have Abandoned Our Civil Religion — And We Are No Longer The Same,\" by John D. Carlson\n\nMUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the \"cc by\" license)\n--\"The Trail,\" by Unheard Music Concepts\n--\"Light Lab,\" by Rest You Sleeping Giant\n--\"Pleasure\" by Haunted Me\n--\"Funky End,\" by Pawel Feszczuk\n--\"Post Drone\" by Uuriter\n--\"Caress me to sleep,\" by ruiSpecial Guest: Arthur Remillard.","content_html":"\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://www.francis.edu/academics/faculty-directory/arthur-remillard\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eArthur Remillard\u003c/a\u003e is Professor of Religious Studies and Department Chair of Theology and Philosophy, as well as Dean of STEAM (Science, Technology, Engingeering, Arts, and Mathematics) at Saint Francis University, in Loretto, Pennsylvania. He is author of the book \u003cem\u003eSouthern Civil Religions\u003c/em\u003e, as well as a new book, \u003cem\u003eBodies in Motion: A Religious History of Sports in America\u003c/em\u003e.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eOTHER LINKS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"http://www.robertbellah.com/articles_5.htm\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;Civil Religion in America,\u0026quot; by Robert N. Bellah\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/21/opinion/republican-convention-prayer.html\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;The Meaning of Prayer at a Political Convention,\u0026quot; by Esau McCaulley\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://religionnews.com/2025/01/23/in-trump-we-have-abandoned-our-civil-religion-and-we-are-no-longer-the-same/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;In Trump, We Have Abandoned Our Civil Religion — And We Are No Longer The Same,\u0026quot; by John D. Carlson\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eMUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the \u0026quot;cc by\u0026quot; license)\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;The Trail,\u0026quot; by Unheard Music Concepts\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Light Lab,\u0026quot; by Rest You Sleeping Giant\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Pleasure\u0026quot; by Haunted Me\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Funky End,\u0026quot; by Pawel Feszczuk\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Post Drone\u0026quot; by Uuriter\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Caress me to sleep,\u0026quot; by rui\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSpecial Guest: Arthur Remillard.\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"A conversation with scholar Art Remillard, about civil religion in the U.S.","date_published":"2025-07-23T05:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/92d4f201-c679-4a52-8c80-a47e41397da4/aebd2928-ed53-4625-83cb-ac7805b96ab8.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":28290434,"duration_in_seconds":3536}]},{"id":"70bd62d7-c70f-45c2-ae39-5d2347638134","title":"Episode 1: God, Grace, and Grudges","url":"https://circumscription.fireside.fm/1","content_text":"Mikey Pasek is a social psychologist, and is an Assistant Professor of Psychology at the University of Illinois Chicago. He leads the Belief, Identity, and Group Relations Lab at UIC. We discussed a range of topics, including religion, big and moralizing gods, Christian nationalism, race, and how to alter anti-democratic attitudes.\n\nOTHER LINKS\n--White House Executive Order: Eradicating Anti-Christian Bias\n--Beyond Conflict\n--Interfaith Philadelphia\n--God Is Not Great, by Christopher Hitchens\n--Big Gods: How Religion Transformed Cooperation and Conflict, by Ara Norenzayan\n--Southern Poverty Law Center Page on The Westboro Baptist Church\n--\"Black Liberation Theology, in its Founder's Word\" (Interview on NPR's Fresh Air)\n--\"Religious ‘Nones’ in America: Who They Are and What They Believe\" (Pew Research Center)\n--Martin Luther King Jr. and the American Revolution\n\nMUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the \"cc by\" license)\n--\"The Trail,\" by Unheard Music Concepts\n--\"Funky End,\" by Pawel Feszczuk\n--\"Caress me to sleep,\" by rui\n--\"Monsters of the past,\" by Pawel Feszczuk\n--\"Precisamos de um plano,\" by rui\n--\"Light Lab,\" by Rest You Sleeping GiantSpecial Guest: Michael Pasek.","content_html":"\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://psch.uic.edu/profiles/pasek-michael/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eMikey Pasek\u003c/a\u003e is a social psychologist, and is an Assistant Professor of Psychology at the University of Illinois Chicago. He leads the \u003ca href=\"https://bigr.psch.uic.edu/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eBelief, Identity, and Group Relations Lab\u003c/a\u003e at UIC. We discussed a range of topics, including religion, big and moralizing gods, Christian nationalism, race, and how to alter anti-democratic attitudes.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eOTHER LINKS\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/eradicating-anti-christian-bias/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--White House Executive Order: Eradicating Anti-Christian Bias\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://beyondconflictint.org/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--Beyond Conflict\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.interfaithphiladelphia.org/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--Interfaith Philadelphia\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.amazon.com/God-Not-Great-Religion-Everything/dp/0446697966\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e\u003cem\u003e--God Is Not Great\u003c/em\u003e, by Christopher Hitchens\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691169743/big-gods\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e\u003cem\u003e--Big Gods: How Religion Transformed Cooperation and Conflict\u003c/em\u003e, by Ara Norenzayan\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/westboro-baptist-church/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--Southern Poverty Law Center Page on The Westboro Baptist Church\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2008/03/31/89236116/black-liberation-theology-in-its-founders-words\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;Black Liberation Theology, in its Founder\u0026#39;s Word\u0026quot; (Interview on NPR\u0026#39;s \u003cem\u003eFresh Air\u003c/em\u003e)\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2024/01/24/religious-nones-in-america-who-they-are-and-what-they-believe/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--\u0026quot;Religious ‘Nones’ in America: Who They Are and What They Believe\u0026quot; (Pew Research Center)\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.amrevmuseum.org/dr-martin-luther-king-jr-and-the-promises-of-the-american-revolution\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e--Martin Luther King Jr. and the American Revolution\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eMUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the \u0026quot;cc by\u0026quot; license)\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;The Trail,\u0026quot; by Unheard Music Concepts\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Funky End,\u0026quot; by Pawel Feszczuk\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Caress me to sleep,\u0026quot; by rui\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Monsters of the past,\u0026quot; by Pawel Feszczuk\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Precisamos de um plano,\u0026quot; by rui\u003cbr\u003e\n--\u0026quot;Light Lab,\u0026quot; by Rest You Sleeping Giant\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSpecial Guest: Michael Pasek.\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"A conversation with Mikey Pasek, about religion, identity, and politics.","date_published":"2025-07-08T05:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/92d4f201-c679-4a52-8c80-a47e41397da4/70bd62d7-c70f-45c2-ae39-5d2347638134.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":26649317,"duration_in_seconds":3331}]}]}