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    <title>Circumscription - Episodes Tagged with “Race”</title>
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    <pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2025 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
    <description>Much of what gives life meaning, continuity, and order is the act of setting boundaries. Much of what gives you a clear sense of who and what you are is a clear sense of who and what you're not. This is a podcast about drawing such lines. It's about the processes involved in setting and maintaining boundaries, but also stretching and crossing them. We explore questions about boundaries and identity in three areas: religion, foreign policy, and constitutional law.
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    <itunes:subtitle>Where We Set The Limits</itunes:subtitle>
    <itunes:author>Michael Sargent</itunes:author>
    <itunes:summary>Much of what gives life meaning, continuity, and order is the act of setting boundaries. Much of what gives you a clear sense of who and what you are is a clear sense of who and what you're not. This is a podcast about drawing such lines. It's about the processes involved in setting and maintaining boundaries, but also stretching and crossing them. We explore questions about boundaries and identity in three areas: religion, foreign policy, and constitutional law.
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    <itunes:keywords>self, identity, religion, faith, constitutions, constitutional law, foreign policy</itunes:keywords>
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      <itunes:name>Michael Sargent</itunes:name>
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  <title>Episode 6: City of God</title>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2025 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Michael Sargent</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>A conversation about Christian nationalism, with sociologist Samuel Perry.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>54:28</itunes:duration>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.ou.edu/cas/soc/people/faculty/samuel-perry" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Samuel Perry&lt;/a&gt; is the Sam K. Viersen Presidential Professor of Sociology at the University of Oklahoma. He has authored or co-authored over 100 peer-reviewed academic journal articles, and has authored or co-authored five books, including &lt;em&gt;Taking America Back for God&lt;/em&gt;, as well as &lt;em&gt;The Flag and the Cross&lt;/em&gt;. He’s also written for such journalistic outlets as &lt;em&gt;The Dallas Morning News&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Time Magazine&lt;/em&gt;, and &lt;em&gt;The Washington Post&lt;/em&gt;. In this episode, we discuss Christian nationalism in the U.S.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;OTHER LINKS&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://youtu.be/tgNbGxdDZ2I?si=AzLAlqiAp0LRRV47" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--"The Christian nationalism we need" (Keynote address at the 2024 National Conservatism Conference, by Sen. Josh Hawley)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/opinion/christian-nationalism.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--"What is Christian nationalism, exactly?" (essay at the &lt;em&gt;New York Times&lt;/em&gt;, by David French)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12166974/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--"White or woke Christian nationalists? How race moderates the link between Christian nationalism and progressive identities," by Samuel Perry, Allyson Shortle, Eric McDaniel, and Joshua Grubbs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://bjconline.org/amanda-tyler/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--Profile for Amanda Tyler at the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty (BJC)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.economist.com/united-states/2025/08/26/the-democrat-who-calls-trump-a-child-of-god" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--"The Democrat who calls Trump a child of God" (article at &lt;em&gt;The Economist&lt;/em&gt; about James Talarico)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.npr.org/2024/10/29/nx-s1-5165535/trump-christians-evangelical-harris-support" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--"Why are some Evangelicals drawn to--and stickying by--Trump? This pastor weighs in" (NPR interview of Pastro Chad Harvey, by Scott Detrow)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;MUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the "cc by" license)&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br&gt;
--"The Trail," by Unheard Music Concepts&lt;br&gt;
--"Post Drone," by Uuriter&lt;br&gt;
--"Anti-Chill," by Jangwa&lt;br&gt;
--"Cello," by Ketsa&lt;br&gt;
--"Caress me to sleep," by rui&lt;br&gt;
 Special Guest: Samuel Perry.&lt;/p&gt;
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  <itunes:keywords>Christian nationalism, Christianity, politics, race, religion, identity</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.ou.edu/cas/soc/people/faculty/samuel-perry" rel="nofollow">Samuel Perry</a> is the Sam K. Viersen Presidential Professor of Sociology at the University of Oklahoma. He has authored or co-authored over 100 peer-reviewed academic journal articles, and has authored or co-authored five books, including <em>Taking America Back for God</em>, as well as <em>The Flag and the Cross</em>. He’s also written for such journalistic outlets as <em>The Dallas Morning News</em>, <em>Time Magazine</em>, and <em>The Washington Post</em>. In this episode, we discuss Christian nationalism in the U.S.</p>

<p><strong>OTHER LINKS</strong><br>
<a href="https://youtu.be/tgNbGxdDZ2I?si=AzLAlqiAp0LRRV47" rel="nofollow">--&quot;The Christian nationalism we need&quot; (Keynote address at the 2024 National Conservatism Conference, by Sen. Josh Hawley)</a><br>
<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/opinion/christian-nationalism.html" rel="nofollow">--&quot;What is Christian nationalism, exactly?&quot; (essay at the <em>New York Times</em>, by David French)</a><br>
<a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12166974/" rel="nofollow">--&quot;White or woke Christian nationalists? How race moderates the link between Christian nationalism and progressive identities,&quot; by Samuel Perry, Allyson Shortle, Eric McDaniel, and Joshua Grubbs</a><br>
<a href="https://bjconline.org/amanda-tyler/" rel="nofollow">--Profile for Amanda Tyler at the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty (BJC)</a><br>
<a href="https://www.economist.com/united-states/2025/08/26/the-democrat-who-calls-trump-a-child-of-god" rel="nofollow">--&quot;The Democrat who calls Trump a child of God&quot; (article at <em>The Economist</em> about James Talarico)</a><br>
<a href="https://www.npr.org/2024/10/29/nx-s1-5165535/trump-christians-evangelical-harris-support" rel="nofollow">--&quot;Why are some Evangelicals drawn to--and stickying by--Trump? This pastor weighs in&quot; (NPR interview of Pastro Chad Harvey, by Scott Detrow)</a></p>

<p><strong>MUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the &quot;cc by&quot; license)</strong><br>
--&quot;The Trail,&quot; by Unheard Music Concepts<br>
--&quot;Post Drone,&quot; by Uuriter<br>
--&quot;Anti-Chill,&quot; by Jangwa<br>
--&quot;Cello,&quot; by Ketsa<br>
--&quot;Caress me to sleep,&quot; by rui</p><p>Special Guest: Samuel Perry.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.ou.edu/cas/soc/people/faculty/samuel-perry" rel="nofollow">Samuel Perry</a> is the Sam K. Viersen Presidential Professor of Sociology at the University of Oklahoma. He has authored or co-authored over 100 peer-reviewed academic journal articles, and has authored or co-authored five books, including <em>Taking America Back for God</em>, as well as <em>The Flag and the Cross</em>. He’s also written for such journalistic outlets as <em>The Dallas Morning News</em>, <em>Time Magazine</em>, and <em>The Washington Post</em>. In this episode, we discuss Christian nationalism in the U.S.</p>

<p><strong>OTHER LINKS</strong><br>
<a href="https://youtu.be/tgNbGxdDZ2I?si=AzLAlqiAp0LRRV47" rel="nofollow">--&quot;The Christian nationalism we need&quot; (Keynote address at the 2024 National Conservatism Conference, by Sen. Josh Hawley)</a><br>
<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/opinion/christian-nationalism.html" rel="nofollow">--&quot;What is Christian nationalism, exactly?&quot; (essay at the <em>New York Times</em>, by David French)</a><br>
<a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12166974/" rel="nofollow">--&quot;White or woke Christian nationalists? How race moderates the link between Christian nationalism and progressive identities,&quot; by Samuel Perry, Allyson Shortle, Eric McDaniel, and Joshua Grubbs</a><br>
<a href="https://bjconline.org/amanda-tyler/" rel="nofollow">--Profile for Amanda Tyler at the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty (BJC)</a><br>
<a href="https://www.economist.com/united-states/2025/08/26/the-democrat-who-calls-trump-a-child-of-god" rel="nofollow">--&quot;The Democrat who calls Trump a child of God&quot; (article at <em>The Economist</em> about James Talarico)</a><br>
<a href="https://www.npr.org/2024/10/29/nx-s1-5165535/trump-christians-evangelical-harris-support" rel="nofollow">--&quot;Why are some Evangelicals drawn to--and stickying by--Trump? This pastor weighs in&quot; (NPR interview of Pastro Chad Harvey, by Scott Detrow)</a></p>

<p><strong>MUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the &quot;cc by&quot; license)</strong><br>
--&quot;The Trail,&quot; by Unheard Music Concepts<br>
--&quot;Post Drone,&quot; by Uuriter<br>
--&quot;Anti-Chill,&quot; by Jangwa<br>
--&quot;Cello,&quot; by Ketsa<br>
--&quot;Caress me to sleep,&quot; by rui</p><p>Special Guest: Samuel Perry.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 5: Drawn Out</title>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2025 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Michael Sargent</author>
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  <itunes:author>Michael Sargent</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>A conversation with legal expert David Gans, focusing on voting rights and redistricting.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>50:40</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.theusconstitution.org/staff/david-h-gans/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;David Gans&lt;/a&gt; is Director of the Human Rights, Civil Rights &amp;amp; Citizenship Program at the Constitutional Accountability Center. In this episode, we discussed voting rights and redistricting, with an emphasis on the Louisiana v. Callais case that is set to be reargued before the Supreme Court on October 15, 2025. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;OTHER LINKS&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/audio/2022/21-1086" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--&lt;em&gt;Merrill v. Milligan&lt;/em&gt; (later retitled &lt;em&gt;Allen v. Milligan&lt;/em&gt;) oral argument&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/21-1086_1co6.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--&lt;em&gt;Allen v. Milligan&lt;/em&gt; opinion&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--Wikipedia on the Voting Rights Act of 1965&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.scotusblog.com/election-law-explainers/section-2-of-the-voting-rights-act-vote-dilution-and-vote-deprivation/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--"Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act: Vote dilution and vote deprivation," SCOTUSblog&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/08/court-asks-for-new-briefs-in-louisiana-redistricting-case/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--"Court asks for new briefs in Louisiana redistricting case", by Amy Howe at &lt;em&gt;SCOTUSblog&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.lwv.org/blog/how-supreme-court-made-racial-gerrymandering-easier-alexander-v-south-carolina-naacp" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--"How the Supreme Court made racial gerrymandering easier in &lt;em&gt;Alexander v. South Carolina NAACP&lt;/em&gt;," League of Women Voters Blog&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/09/politics/ketanji-brown-jackson-leading-dissenter-trump-era" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--"Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson emerges as a leading dissenter in an era of Trump," by John Fritze, at CNN&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;MUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the "cc by" license)&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br&gt;
--"The Trail," by Unheard Music Concepts&lt;br&gt;
--"Breath," by Kirk Osamayo&lt;br&gt;
--"Anti-Chill," by Jangwa&lt;br&gt;
--"Post Drone," by Uuriter&lt;br&gt;
--"Cello," by Ketsa&lt;br&gt;
--"Caress me to sleep," by rui Special Guest: David Gans.&lt;/p&gt;
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  <itunes:keywords>voting rights, race, redistricting, politics, 14th Amendment, 15th Amendment</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.theusconstitution.org/staff/david-h-gans/" rel="nofollow">David Gans</a> is Director of the Human Rights, Civil Rights &amp; Citizenship Program at the Constitutional Accountability Center. In this episode, we discussed voting rights and redistricting, with an emphasis on the Louisiana v. Callais case that is set to be reargued before the Supreme Court on October 15, 2025. </p>

<p><strong>OTHER LINKS</strong><br>
<a href="https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/audio/2022/21-1086" rel="nofollow">--<em>Merrill v. Milligan</em> (later retitled <em>Allen v. Milligan</em>) oral argument</a><br>
<a href="https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/21-1086_1co6.pdf" rel="nofollow">--<em>Allen v. Milligan</em> opinion</a><br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965" rel="nofollow">--Wikipedia on the Voting Rights Act of 1965</a><br>
<a href="https://www.scotusblog.com/election-law-explainers/section-2-of-the-voting-rights-act-vote-dilution-and-vote-deprivation/" rel="nofollow">--&quot;Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act: Vote dilution and vote deprivation,&quot; SCOTUSblog</a><br>
<a href="https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/08/court-asks-for-new-briefs-in-louisiana-redistricting-case/" rel="nofollow">--&quot;Court asks for new briefs in Louisiana redistricting case&quot;, by Amy Howe at <em>SCOTUSblog</em></a><br>
<a href="https://www.lwv.org/blog/how-supreme-court-made-racial-gerrymandering-easier-alexander-v-south-carolina-naacp" rel="nofollow">--&quot;How the Supreme Court made racial gerrymandering easier in <em>Alexander v. South Carolina NAACP</em>,&quot; League of Women Voters Blog</a><br>
<a href="https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/09/politics/ketanji-brown-jackson-leading-dissenter-trump-era" rel="nofollow">--&quot;Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson emerges as a leading dissenter in an era of Trump,&quot; by John Fritze, at CNN</a></p>

<p><strong>MUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the &quot;cc by&quot; license)</strong><br>
--&quot;The Trail,&quot; by Unheard Music Concepts<br>
--&quot;Breath,&quot; by Kirk Osamayo<br>
--&quot;Anti-Chill,&quot; by Jangwa<br>
--&quot;Post Drone,&quot; by Uuriter<br>
--&quot;Cello,&quot; by Ketsa<br>
--&quot;Caress me to sleep,&quot; by rui</p><p>Special Guest: David Gans.</p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.theusconstitution.org/staff/david-h-gans/" rel="nofollow">David Gans</a> is Director of the Human Rights, Civil Rights &amp; Citizenship Program at the Constitutional Accountability Center. In this episode, we discussed voting rights and redistricting, with an emphasis on the Louisiana v. Callais case that is set to be reargued before the Supreme Court on October 15, 2025. </p>

<p><strong>OTHER LINKS</strong><br>
<a href="https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/audio/2022/21-1086" rel="nofollow">--<em>Merrill v. Milligan</em> (later retitled <em>Allen v. Milligan</em>) oral argument</a><br>
<a href="https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/21-1086_1co6.pdf" rel="nofollow">--<em>Allen v. Milligan</em> opinion</a><br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965" rel="nofollow">--Wikipedia on the Voting Rights Act of 1965</a><br>
<a href="https://www.scotusblog.com/election-law-explainers/section-2-of-the-voting-rights-act-vote-dilution-and-vote-deprivation/" rel="nofollow">--&quot;Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act: Vote dilution and vote deprivation,&quot; SCOTUSblog</a><br>
<a href="https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/08/court-asks-for-new-briefs-in-louisiana-redistricting-case/" rel="nofollow">--&quot;Court asks for new briefs in Louisiana redistricting case&quot;, by Amy Howe at <em>SCOTUSblog</em></a><br>
<a href="https://www.lwv.org/blog/how-supreme-court-made-racial-gerrymandering-easier-alexander-v-south-carolina-naacp" rel="nofollow">--&quot;How the Supreme Court made racial gerrymandering easier in <em>Alexander v. South Carolina NAACP</em>,&quot; League of Women Voters Blog</a><br>
<a href="https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/09/politics/ketanji-brown-jackson-leading-dissenter-trump-era" rel="nofollow">--&quot;Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson emerges as a leading dissenter in an era of Trump,&quot; by John Fritze, at CNN</a></p>

<p><strong>MUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the &quot;cc by&quot; license)</strong><br>
--&quot;The Trail,&quot; by Unheard Music Concepts<br>
--&quot;Breath,&quot; by Kirk Osamayo<br>
--&quot;Anti-Chill,&quot; by Jangwa<br>
--&quot;Post Drone,&quot; by Uuriter<br>
--&quot;Cello,&quot; by Ketsa<br>
--&quot;Caress me to sleep,&quot; by rui</p><p>Special Guest: David Gans.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 3: Equals Under The Law</title>
  <link>https://circumscription.fireside.fm/3</link>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2025 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Michael Sargent</author>
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  <itunes:author>Michael Sargent</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>A conversation with law professor Paul Gowder, about the rule of law in the U.S.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>57:39</itunes:duration>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://gowder.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Paul Gowder&lt;/a&gt; is Professor of Law at the Pritzker School of Law at Northwestern University, in Chicago. He's the author of several books, including &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.amazon.com/Rule-Law-Real-World/dp/1316502023" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Rule of the Law in the Real World&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;, and &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.amazon.com/Rule-Law-United-States-Unfinished/dp/150995466X/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;amp;dib_tag=se&amp;amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Z5S15r9vNr5ZhFUKb2yZsO_P_412lbt4K9eWnVuNI5blKNrg6Cx_G7BWJZPP8-VIOkpHN5SsxTp_m6t2hckM-6I6PeSFyq5ojHNT70CT1E8.13xS4XB_qDeoAPfN19RNZU6G7v_d960u2wjfaATyG9s&amp;amp;qid=1754075495&amp;amp;sr=1-1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Rule of Law in the United States: An Unfinished Project of Black Liberation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;. In this episode, we discuss the history and current status of the rule of law in the U.S., exploring connections to the historic struggle for Black Americans' civil and human rights&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;OTHER LINKS&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://youtu.be/tuPI1-Gp_5s?si=9pVLgo0NfKSJ0tF2" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--President Trump's May 4, 2025 appearance on NBC's &lt;em&gt;Meet the Press&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Morgan_(slave)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--Wikipedia entry on Margaret Morgan&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--Wikipedia entry on Dred Scott&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.history.com/articles/fugitive-slave-acts" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--history.com page on the Fugitive Slave Acts of 1793 and 1850&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://youtu.be/28sQyweAPRs?si=0YFyuw8zMd4_769u" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--PBS Frontline documentary "Trump's Power &amp;amp; The Rule of Law"&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s "Letter from a Birmingham Jail"&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="http://netk.net.au/RuleOfLaw/Bingham1.asp" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--Lord Bingham's Sir David Williams Lecture: "The Rule of Law"&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.amazon.com/Private-Truths-Public-Lies-Falsification/dp/0674707583" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--&lt;em&gt;Private Truths, Public Lies: The Social Consequences of Preference Falsification&lt;/em&gt;, by Timur Kuran&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;MUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the "cc by" license)&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br&gt;
--"The Trail," by Unheard Music Concepts&lt;br&gt;
--"Monsters of the Past," by Pawel Feszczuk&lt;br&gt;
--"Precisamos de um plano," by rui&lt;br&gt;
--"Light Lab," by Rest You Sleeping Giant&lt;br&gt;
--"Caress me to sleep," by rui Special Guest: Paul Gowder.&lt;/p&gt;
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  <itunes:keywords>rule of law, race, United States, democracy</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p><a href="https://gowder.io/" rel="nofollow">Paul Gowder</a> is Professor of Law at the Pritzker School of Law at Northwestern University, in Chicago. He&#39;s the author of several books, including <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Rule-Law-Real-World/dp/1316502023" rel="nofollow">The Rule of the Law in the Real World</a></em>, and <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Rule-Law-United-States-Unfinished/dp/150995466X/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Z5S15r9vNr5ZhFUKb2yZsO_P_412lbt4K9eWnVuNI5blKNrg6Cx_G7BWJZPP8-VIOkpHN5SsxTp_m6t2hckM-6I6PeSFyq5ojHNT70CT1E8.13xS4XB_qDeoAPfN19RNZU6G7v_d960u2wjfaATyG9s&qid=1754075495&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">The Rule of Law in the United States: An Unfinished Project of Black Liberation</a></em>. In this episode, we discuss the history and current status of the rule of law in the U.S., exploring connections to the historic struggle for Black Americans&#39; civil and human rights</p>

<p><strong>OTHER LINKS</strong><br>
<a href="https://youtu.be/tuPI1-Gp_5s?si=9pVLgo0NfKSJ0tF2" rel="nofollow">--President Trump&#39;s May 4, 2025 appearance on NBC&#39;s <em>Meet the Press</em></a><br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Morgan_(slave)" rel="nofollow">--Wikipedia entry on Margaret Morgan</a><br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott" rel="nofollow">--Wikipedia entry on Dred Scott</a><br>
<a href="https://www.history.com/articles/fugitive-slave-acts" rel="nofollow">--history.com page on the Fugitive Slave Acts of 1793 and 1850</a><br>
<a href="https://youtu.be/28sQyweAPRs?si=0YFyuw8zMd4_769u" rel="nofollow">--PBS Frontline documentary &quot;Trump&#39;s Power &amp; The Rule of Law&quot;</a><br>
<a href="https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html" rel="nofollow">--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.&#39;s &quot;Letter from a Birmingham Jail&quot;</a><br>
<a href="http://netk.net.au/RuleOfLaw/Bingham1.asp" rel="nofollow">--Lord Bingham&#39;s Sir David Williams Lecture: &quot;The Rule of Law&quot;</a><br>
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Private-Truths-Public-Lies-Falsification/dp/0674707583" rel="nofollow">--<em>Private Truths, Public Lies: The Social Consequences of Preference Falsification</em>, by Timur Kuran</a></p>

<p><strong>MUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the &quot;cc by&quot; license)</strong><br>
--&quot;The Trail,&quot; by Unheard Music Concepts<br>
--&quot;Monsters of the Past,&quot; by Pawel Feszczuk<br>
--&quot;Precisamos de um plano,&quot; by rui<br>
--&quot;Light Lab,&quot; by Rest You Sleeping Giant<br>
--&quot;Caress me to sleep,&quot; by rui</p><p>Special Guest: Paul Gowder.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p><a href="https://gowder.io/" rel="nofollow">Paul Gowder</a> is Professor of Law at the Pritzker School of Law at Northwestern University, in Chicago. He&#39;s the author of several books, including <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Rule-Law-Real-World/dp/1316502023" rel="nofollow">The Rule of the Law in the Real World</a></em>, and <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Rule-Law-United-States-Unfinished/dp/150995466X/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Z5S15r9vNr5ZhFUKb2yZsO_P_412lbt4K9eWnVuNI5blKNrg6Cx_G7BWJZPP8-VIOkpHN5SsxTp_m6t2hckM-6I6PeSFyq5ojHNT70CT1E8.13xS4XB_qDeoAPfN19RNZU6G7v_d960u2wjfaATyG9s&qid=1754075495&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">The Rule of Law in the United States: An Unfinished Project of Black Liberation</a></em>. In this episode, we discuss the history and current status of the rule of law in the U.S., exploring connections to the historic struggle for Black Americans&#39; civil and human rights</p>

<p><strong>OTHER LINKS</strong><br>
<a href="https://youtu.be/tuPI1-Gp_5s?si=9pVLgo0NfKSJ0tF2" rel="nofollow">--President Trump&#39;s May 4, 2025 appearance on NBC&#39;s <em>Meet the Press</em></a><br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Morgan_(slave)" rel="nofollow">--Wikipedia entry on Margaret Morgan</a><br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott" rel="nofollow">--Wikipedia entry on Dred Scott</a><br>
<a href="https://www.history.com/articles/fugitive-slave-acts" rel="nofollow">--history.com page on the Fugitive Slave Acts of 1793 and 1850</a><br>
<a href="https://youtu.be/28sQyweAPRs?si=0YFyuw8zMd4_769u" rel="nofollow">--PBS Frontline documentary &quot;Trump&#39;s Power &amp; The Rule of Law&quot;</a><br>
<a href="https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html" rel="nofollow">--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.&#39;s &quot;Letter from a Birmingham Jail&quot;</a><br>
<a href="http://netk.net.au/RuleOfLaw/Bingham1.asp" rel="nofollow">--Lord Bingham&#39;s Sir David Williams Lecture: &quot;The Rule of Law&quot;</a><br>
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Private-Truths-Public-Lies-Falsification/dp/0674707583" rel="nofollow">--<em>Private Truths, Public Lies: The Social Consequences of Preference Falsification</em>, by Timur Kuran</a></p>

<p><strong>MUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the &quot;cc by&quot; license)</strong><br>
--&quot;The Trail,&quot; by Unheard Music Concepts<br>
--&quot;Monsters of the Past,&quot; by Pawel Feszczuk<br>
--&quot;Precisamos de um plano,&quot; by rui<br>
--&quot;Light Lab,&quot; by Rest You Sleeping Giant<br>
--&quot;Caress me to sleep,&quot; by rui</p><p>Special Guest: Paul Gowder.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 1: God, Grace, and Grudges</title>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2025 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Michael Sargent</author>
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  <itunes:author>Michael Sargent</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>A conversation with Mikey Pasek, about religion, identity, and politics.</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://psch.uic.edu/profiles/pasek-michael/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Mikey Pasek&lt;/a&gt; is a social psychologist, and is an Assistant Professor of Psychology at the University of Illinois Chicago. He leads the &lt;a href="https://bigr.psch.uic.edu/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Belief, Identity, and Group Relations Lab&lt;/a&gt; at UIC. We discussed a range of topics, including religion, big and moralizing gods, Christian nationalism, race, and how to alter anti-democratic attitudes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;OTHER LINKS&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/eradicating-anti-christian-bias/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--White House Executive Order: Eradicating Anti-Christian Bias&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://beyondconflictint.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--Beyond Conflict&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.interfaithphiladelphia.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--Interfaith Philadelphia&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.amazon.com/God-Not-Great-Religion-Everything/dp/0446697966" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;&lt;em&gt;--God Is Not Great&lt;/em&gt;, by Christopher Hitchens&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691169743/big-gods" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;&lt;em&gt;--Big Gods: How Religion Transformed Cooperation and Conflict&lt;/em&gt;, by Ara Norenzayan&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/westboro-baptist-church/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--Southern Poverty Law Center Page on The Westboro Baptist Church&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.npr.org/2008/03/31/89236116/black-liberation-theology-in-its-founders-words" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--"Black Liberation Theology, in its Founder's Word" (Interview on NPR's &lt;em&gt;Fresh Air&lt;/em&gt;)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2024/01/24/religious-nones-in-america-who-they-are-and-what-they-believe/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--"Religious ‘Nones’ in America: Who They Are and What They Believe" (Pew Research Center)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.amrevmuseum.org/dr-martin-luther-king-jr-and-the-promises-of-the-american-revolution" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;--Martin Luther King Jr. and the American Revolution&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;MUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the "cc by" license)&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br&gt;
--"The Trail," by Unheard Music Concepts&lt;br&gt;
--"Funky End," by Pawel Feszczuk&lt;br&gt;
--"Caress me to sleep," by rui&lt;br&gt;
--"Monsters of the past," by Pawel Feszczuk&lt;br&gt;
--"Precisamos de um plano," by rui&lt;br&gt;
--"Light Lab," by Rest You Sleeping Giant Special Guest: Michael Pasek.&lt;/p&gt;
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  <itunes:keywords>religion, identity, race, politics, Christian nationalism</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p><a href="https://psch.uic.edu/profiles/pasek-michael/" rel="nofollow">Mikey Pasek</a> is a social psychologist, and is an Assistant Professor of Psychology at the University of Illinois Chicago. He leads the <a href="https://bigr.psch.uic.edu/" rel="nofollow">Belief, Identity, and Group Relations Lab</a> at UIC. We discussed a range of topics, including religion, big and moralizing gods, Christian nationalism, race, and how to alter anti-democratic attitudes.</p>

<p><strong>OTHER LINKS</strong><br>
<a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/eradicating-anti-christian-bias/" rel="nofollow">--White House Executive Order: Eradicating Anti-Christian Bias</a><br>
<a href="https://beyondconflictint.org/" rel="nofollow">--Beyond Conflict</a><br>
<a href="https://www.interfaithphiladelphia.org/" rel="nofollow">--Interfaith Philadelphia</a><br>
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/God-Not-Great-Religion-Everything/dp/0446697966" rel="nofollow"><em>--God Is Not Great</em>, by Christopher Hitchens</a><br>
<a href="https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691169743/big-gods" rel="nofollow"><em>--Big Gods: How Religion Transformed Cooperation and Conflict</em>, by Ara Norenzayan</a><br>
<a href="https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/westboro-baptist-church/" rel="nofollow">--Southern Poverty Law Center Page on The Westboro Baptist Church</a><br>
<a href="https://www.npr.org/2008/03/31/89236116/black-liberation-theology-in-its-founders-words" rel="nofollow">--&quot;Black Liberation Theology, in its Founder&#39;s Word&quot; (Interview on NPR&#39;s <em>Fresh Air</em>)</a><br>
<a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2024/01/24/religious-nones-in-america-who-they-are-and-what-they-believe/" rel="nofollow">--&quot;Religious ‘Nones’ in America: Who They Are and What They Believe&quot; (Pew Research Center)</a><br>
<a href="https://www.amrevmuseum.org/dr-martin-luther-king-jr-and-the-promises-of-the-american-revolution" rel="nofollow">--Martin Luther King Jr. and the American Revolution</a></p>

<p><strong>MUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the &quot;cc by&quot; license)</strong><br>
--&quot;The Trail,&quot; by Unheard Music Concepts<br>
--&quot;Funky End,&quot; by Pawel Feszczuk<br>
--&quot;Caress me to sleep,&quot; by rui<br>
--&quot;Monsters of the past,&quot; by Pawel Feszczuk<br>
--&quot;Precisamos de um plano,&quot; by rui<br>
--&quot;Light Lab,&quot; by Rest You Sleeping Giant</p><p>Special Guest: Michael Pasek.</p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p><a href="https://psch.uic.edu/profiles/pasek-michael/" rel="nofollow">Mikey Pasek</a> is a social psychologist, and is an Assistant Professor of Psychology at the University of Illinois Chicago. He leads the <a href="https://bigr.psch.uic.edu/" rel="nofollow">Belief, Identity, and Group Relations Lab</a> at UIC. We discussed a range of topics, including religion, big and moralizing gods, Christian nationalism, race, and how to alter anti-democratic attitudes.</p>

<p><strong>OTHER LINKS</strong><br>
<a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/eradicating-anti-christian-bias/" rel="nofollow">--White House Executive Order: Eradicating Anti-Christian Bias</a><br>
<a href="https://beyondconflictint.org/" rel="nofollow">--Beyond Conflict</a><br>
<a href="https://www.interfaithphiladelphia.org/" rel="nofollow">--Interfaith Philadelphia</a><br>
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/God-Not-Great-Religion-Everything/dp/0446697966" rel="nofollow"><em>--God Is Not Great</em>, by Christopher Hitchens</a><br>
<a href="https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691169743/big-gods" rel="nofollow"><em>--Big Gods: How Religion Transformed Cooperation and Conflict</em>, by Ara Norenzayan</a><br>
<a href="https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/westboro-baptist-church/" rel="nofollow">--Southern Poverty Law Center Page on The Westboro Baptist Church</a><br>
<a href="https://www.npr.org/2008/03/31/89236116/black-liberation-theology-in-its-founders-words" rel="nofollow">--&quot;Black Liberation Theology, in its Founder&#39;s Word&quot; (Interview on NPR&#39;s <em>Fresh Air</em>)</a><br>
<a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2024/01/24/religious-nones-in-america-who-they-are-and-what-they-believe/" rel="nofollow">--&quot;Religious ‘Nones’ in America: Who They Are and What They Believe&quot; (Pew Research Center)</a><br>
<a href="https://www.amrevmuseum.org/dr-martin-luther-king-jr-and-the-promises-of-the-american-revolution" rel="nofollow">--Martin Luther King Jr. and the American Revolution</a></p>

<p><strong>MUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the &quot;cc by&quot; license)</strong><br>
--&quot;The Trail,&quot; by Unheard Music Concepts<br>
--&quot;Funky End,&quot; by Pawel Feszczuk<br>
--&quot;Caress me to sleep,&quot; by rui<br>
--&quot;Monsters of the past,&quot; by Pawel Feszczuk<br>
--&quot;Precisamos de um plano,&quot; by rui<br>
--&quot;Light Lab,&quot; by Rest You Sleeping Giant</p><p>Special Guest: Michael Pasek.</p>]]>
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